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Sep. 5th, 2006 @ 07:01 am Materazzi breaks Zidane silence
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From:galerandyaddict
Date:September 8th, 2006 03:45 pm (UTC)
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My reaction to the last match? You'll notice the gold ball on the pitch. That wasn't for France.

don't know what the fuck you mean on this

being a zidane fan i think you don't have to give me a lecture on "what he's capable of".

and if you would just take the time to read one of the interviews he gave you'd realize he didn't claim things that are not true, he just claimed materazzi said more than what he's willing to admit and i say again even if you don't care about it this time either - it's clear that materazzi was talking for a longer time than 'I'd rather have your sister'. anyways this wasnt just a regular 'fuck you' no matter what people say. it was offensive, it was in the worst of moments, unfair sneaky just like materazzi. and umm... anyways i have to admit that it felt a bit just, because zidane attacks people on the pitch because he's stressed. but when you see materazzi literally kikcking the shit out of kaká or sevchenko you can see this mad glee on his face.

i'm simply tired of these zidane-fights i do constantly here on lj, respect to nesta, cannavaro, totti, pirlo, buffon, from now on it is enough for me to hear from many italy-fans that they hate materazzi just as much as i hate him and to know that france IS the better team no matter who won the WC. italy sadly chose the greek-effect.

good day.
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From:guybrush_lustri
Date:September 9th, 2006 03:40 am (UTC)
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France were the better team? That's bitterness speaking, especially when it's so blatantly untrue. Germany would have destroyed France - the only reason they got to the final at all was because they scraped out of their group, faced Spain (who always choke at World Cups), Brazil (who were underperforming something amazing) and Portugal (who were made to look awful by a 10-man England side). They didn't score a goal that wasn't off a set-peice after the second round.

They were the fourth-best side in the competition (after Italy, Germany and Argentina). Certainly no better.

Zidane may only attack when he's angry, but he had an amazingly short fuse. His last season in France was marred with all manner of violent acts.

Materazzi was just doing what any other player (including Zidane) has done constantly. You can bet that Zidane had some choice words to say in the same game, let alone the same tournament. No fan of Zidane has any right to complain about bad sportsmanship, because as brilliant as Zidane was, he was also a dirty dirty bastard on the pitch.

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From:galerandyaddict
Date:September 9th, 2006 09:20 am (UTC)
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please! look at your words and see how big of a hypocrite you are! you are making zidane as an example for every bad thing that happens on the pitch while if you would again just consider my words and not just look over them i wouldn't have to repeat that materazzi is so much more violent and beats zidane in every competiton for the title of "dirty dirty bastard"...

look nobody can predict what happens in the world cup, which team will play against which team, i said france was the better team against italy, and btw don't tell me that you think that was football italy played against germany. that was some crazy partizan-action sentenced to death and in the end by luck (again) they managed to finish it.

argentina? bwhaha... i actually got ahold of a book that collects the reports of an expert of every single match of the world cup. he doesn't have such a high opinion on france nor italy. both teams struggled hard to get out of their groups. one tiny little tid-bit of information you might not know is that domenech wouldn't let press into their trainings but by betraying him some reporters escaped in and the next day put their whole tactics into the newspapers, that's why they were bad in the beggining (partly! i'm not saying it wasn't their fault too), everybody knew what they will do.

point is both argentina and brazil were unexpectedly bad and they were surprised by their own faults.

so yes. france was the better team.
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From:guybrush_lustri
Date:September 9th, 2006 02:43 pm (UTC)
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Germany v Italy was the real final of the World Cup, and was acknowleged as such by many people in the know. France put up a suprisingly spirited performance in the final, but for them to win would have been nothing short of an upset (and a travesty, given Malouda and Henry diving just to get them INTO the final).

In all seriousness, France were impotent up front. They created lots of opportunities, but just could not convert.

Brazil: Free-kick
Portugal: Penalty
Italy: Penalty

With all due respect, anyone who cannot score in general play doesn't DESERVE to win World Cups. France lacked teeth. They played lots of flashy stuff, but had no end product.

Italy, on the other hand, had 11 different goalscorers, and more shots on goal than any almost other side in the competition (I believe Germany were the only side ahead of them). There is no valid measuring stick which has France as being the best side in the competition, other than your clearly biased viewpoint.

Germany and Italy had the two form sides play off against each other, and Argentina were only let down by tactics, not playing sides.
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From:guybrush_lustri
Date:September 9th, 2006 02:45 pm (UTC)
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As for my hypocricy, I only love what Materazzi said because of the hype that it was blown up into. Let's face it, if someone said that to you, you'd shrug it off and laugh. As I've said, it's practically a 'yo mamma' joke.

Zidane just has a short fuse and a violent temper. He always has. He doesn't need people to make excuses for him.
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From:galerandyaddict
Date:September 9th, 2006 03:10 pm (UTC)
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just repeating yourself over and over again, i'm not interested in that, it seems then that hungarian experts are wrong and maybe their eyes see something entirly different than everybody else's in the world.

as for the materazzi thing: i will say this one last time. this is just the part that he admits he said. but if you don't want to listen to this and think of him as the hip-cat of WC, congratulations!

i may be biased but at least i have principles.
good day.
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From:guybrush_lustri
Date:September 10th, 2006 03:40 am (UTC)
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I have principles. Headbutting is against them. Violence on the pitch is inexcusable.

However, you're clearly never played football, otherwise you'd understand that the players have banter going for the entire match. You didn't think they just ran around silently, did you?

Do you think Zidane said nothing over the course of the match? If you did, you're simply naive, and should not be discussing football.

And yes, the Hungarian experts are wrong. Try reading respected experts like Tim Vickery or Guillame Ballague. Any credible respected source will tell you the same thing. The only people arguing otherwise are, quite simply, hacks.
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From:galerandyaddict
Date:September 10th, 2006 09:47 am (UTC)
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the only thing i will react to this is that
-yes i'm playing football.
-hungarian experts are worth just as much as your big names
-i never said that zidane didn't say anything
-if you have principles which i doubt you wouldn't say things like materazzi is you hero no matter what. watch a bit of italian football and realize finally what i'm talking about.
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From:guybrush_lustri
Date:September 10th, 2006 10:10 am (UTC)
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I'm Italian. I'm somewhat familiar with Italian football. I also support Inter's rival, so I'm rather familiar with the dirty play. However, a lot of the great players had a dirty streak, including Gentile, Maradona and (shock, horror) Zidane.

It doesn't necessarily make them a bad player. Materazzi trash-talked Zidane. We all know that. But banter in sport is simply a part of being a sportsman. You say there was more said? You're right. 110 minutes more, in fact. No doubt Zidane, Materazzi, Henry, Pirlo, Thuram and Cannavaro were at it from the first whistly. It's just part of the game.

When you react like Zidane did, you're breaching the bounds of what is acceptable on a pitch, and costing yourself and your team dearly. In football, the team comes first, and he let his team down badly.

The only reason I enjoyed finding out what really triggered Zidane's reaction was because there was so much speculation over how awful it was, and it turned out to be something totally innocuous that set him off. I think that's fantastic.
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From:galerandyaddict
Date:September 10th, 2006 10:20 am (UTC)
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again ignoring what i said, being the kind person you are, let me quote myself:

"being a zidane fan i think you don't have to give me a lecture on "what he's capable of"."

WHEN I SAY THERE WAS MORE SAID I MEAN MATERAZZI STUCK ON ZIDANE AND DIDN'T LET HIM GO WITH JUST A YO MAMMA JOKE (damn i hate this expression)

you are admitting that your italian AND YOU CALL ME BIASED? bwhahaha...

i admit that i defend zidane because he was always my role model, i may be biased but i hate taunting and again quote: "You hear those things once and you try to walk away, that's what I wanted to do because I am retiring. You hear it a second time and then a third time..."

this is what i believe and this is what disgusts me, no matter how heabutting is much more big of a deal.

btw ac milan rules
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From:guybrush_lustri
Date:September 10th, 2006 10:27 am (UTC)
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Juventus rules, or at least did until their corruption was exposed (which, to be honest, is a far bigger breach of football ethics than anything Zidane or Materazzi did. Unfortunately, I must say that AC Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio, while not being as culpable as Juve, got away really easily. Particularly Milan, who had Silvio Berlusconi make all kinds of threats if they'd gotten relegated. Dodgy Italian football clubs. :(

As for Zidane, if it's only the taunting you're worried about, you can be sure he gave as good as he got. Zidane has shown throughout his career that he's quite adept at taunting the opposition at every opportunity. You can be sure that he had some choice things to say to his opponents from the first whistle.

Zidane just snapped first. It was always going to happen - he's got a short fuse. That's his problem and he should have dealt with it, rather than have his own short fuse exposed on the greatest stage of all, and costing his team.

Zidane reacting violently is his own fault. He knew there would be taunting - he's both given and recieved it for his whole career. He should have been able to control his actions, but he's shown in the past that he reacts violently when the pressure is on. He should have been more prepared, but he just let the pressure get to him. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, and Zidane alone is responsible for his.
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From:galerandyaddict
Date:September 10th, 2006 10:32 am (UTC)
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(juve clearly didn't rule just looked LIKE it ruled :D)

"being a zidane fan i think you don't have to give me a lecture on "what he's capable of"."

ehem ehem :D:D:D

look okay i'm biased when it comes to zidane, i'm NOT biased when it comes to the french team! i realize he was taunting too, but this won't change my opinion. end of story.
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From:guybrush_lustri
Date:September 10th, 2006 10:33 am (UTC)
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Fair enough. End of story then :)
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From:galerandyaddict
Date:September 10th, 2006 10:35 am (UTC)
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i have to say with a great sigh of relief "finally" :)
btw congratulations to your world cup! (honestly. :D no matter how hard it is to believe, i do enjoy a good "discussion" to some point :D )